I got e-mailed this painfully, god-awful article by Helen Razer from Crikey saying that only gun control laws and mental illness are to blame for Elliot Rodger's mass murder, and not misogyny AT ALL. http://dailyreview.crikey.com.au/santa-barbara-killings-murder-by-the-book/ While, it's true that you can't kill as many people if you don't have a gun, you also need actual motivation to pull the trigger, which pure insanity doesn't account for, especially given that he was sane enough to methodically write an entire manifesto, plan the thing for months, took his youtube videos down because he knew what would happen if people saw them, and postponed his shooting by a month because he had a cold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXStYs6q8s
Razer's claims that online websites which stoked his misogyny http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-27/hamad-elliot-rodger-and-hate-crime-hypocrisy/5478820 don't share any of the blame are ridiculous and she uses lots of terrible analogies to say that her claims make sense.
(Note: I origionally saw this on the ABC's 'The Drum' where it stated as fact that Elliot Rodger had numerous visits to Men's Rights Activist websites. However, I have since not seen this anywhere, and even things which state explicitly to the contrary, so I think that the ABC got it wrong. PUAhate which Rodger was a part of are the same sort of people as the Men's Rights crowd however, namely the sort who want to blame women for all their problems. Rodger's attitudes could just as easily have come from the MRM.)http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-uncomfortable-truths-behind-mens-rights-movement/
Here are some of them.
(Helen Razer's comments are written in italics.)
According to commentators, this 22-year-old read some misogynistic pamphlets and websites. It is held by many commentators that his alleged actions were not, in fact, the result of the same ultra-individualised extremism that has driven white Americans to kill each other since one who signed the Mayflower compact took out a blunderbuss in the middle of an argument. This violence, it is said, is not part of the occasional American tradition of believing aberrant shit and shooting guns at people in its name. This violence is the work of misogynistic websites.
As much to blame as the individual is, he didn't totally come up with these ideas that women owed him sex on his own, did he? We all exist in a wider society.
The implication that you consider aberrant shit and Men's Rights groups to be distinctly different suggests that you may not be too familiar with the Men's Rights Movement, and anti-feminist rhetoric, so here's an introduction.
'If a man ignoring a woman's verbal 'no' is committing date rape, then a woman who says 'no' with her verbal language, but yes with her body language is committing date fraud, and a woman who continues to be sexual even after she says no is committing 'date lying.' We have forgotten that before we called this date rape' and 'date fraud' we called it 'exciting.' - from 'The Myth of Male Power' by Dr Warren Farrell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgaqG5Cxcl0
'Many MRAs don't fully understand what the concept of 'gender war' is all about and what it fully entails. And in this video I said that if I were to see a woman being raped I would continue on as if nothing ever happened. And I still stand by that statement unapologetically and I assert that I'm 100% justified in this line of thought.' - Barbarossaaa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBhJMc1MAKY
'Look at the nature of the crime. It is a crime that is a legal act that millions of people have every day that is only designated as a crime because of two states of mind:... Her lack of consent, his awareness of her lack of consent... All the evidence of rape is evidence of a legal act. Other than her testimony, it is a very difficult thing to prove.' - Karen Straughan.
(Yeh, nice one Karen. And using a knife is legal act which is only illegal if you stab someone to death.)
http://caprizchka.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/karen-straughan-defines-rape/comment-page-1/
'I think we should give your rapist a medal. I hope you drown in rape semen, you ugly, mean-spirited cow.' - The Amazing Atheist.
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2012/02/08/theamazingatheists-misogynist-meltdown/
'I... I, a man, don't give a fuck about rape victims anymore. I cannot force myself to give a shit. I know intellectually that I should. I know that rape is a terrible crime, and being subject to it is probably a terrible thing, but I don't give a fuck! And the reason that I don't give a fuck is you! You youtube feminists. You victim cult members, you female supremacist assholes. I lay this blame on you. You youtube feminists and feminists in the real world, this is the effect that you had. ' - JohntheOther.
(John's logic: I'm a piece of shit and it's all someone else's fault.)
http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/ok-mens-rights-movement-your-friendly-neighborhood-frigid-btch-feminist-is-listening-what-the-hell-do-you-want.php
'Then you go through the transition between rape and just bad sex, and like it or not such a transition exists. I mean, for example, it was fully consensual to start with, but when we went at it, the sex was just awful and at the end I asked them to stop but they finished anyway.' - Thunderf00t.
(Actually that doesn't sound like going through the transition. That sounds like pretty clear cut rape.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbJbNyZU1dU
'I realised God made a vagina for a reason. So men will talk to you.' - Ramzpaul.
'Whenever I experience the mangina's propensity to bow to every whim of a woman, I can honestly say it reminds me of Dracula's assistant Igor as he desperately tries to obtain his master's affection.' - RockingMrE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v9gXTkf_tY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLz7bwQznmo- When someone (Elliot Rodger) takes the option of absolute insanely last resort, you have to wonder what kind of system is producing them! And I'll tell you what Laci, IT IS A FUCKING FEMINIST SYSTEM THAT'S DOING THIS!' - Sargon Of Akkad.
Of course it's not all like this, but truly horrible comments are commonplace among MRAs.
In short, and in the fast habit of the morally panicked, the internet and what remains of news media “know” why this crime was committed. On ABC1’s Q&A last night, author Tara Moss summed broad feeling up when she noted that the alleged assailant had told us that misogyny was his motive in his last video.
This view requires that we accept not only that the act of violence was the logical end to a normative hatred of women but that Rodger is a reliable narrator. This is bit like according Holden Caulfield the same status. If this were high school English, we’d all get an F.
Tara Moss was saying that tragedy like this is what happens when we normalise men being bitter that women have a choice about who they have sex with. On what grounds do you dismiss this? Here links to two videos documenting Elliot Rodger's supporters and sympathisers which support this outlook. I'm sure I could find more evidence if I looked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&bpctr=1402760153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebHUe089lx8
As for the part where you say that we can't trust that Rodgers is a reliable narrator, I would have thought the fact that he frequents misogyynist websites, makes videos about how much he hates women, writes an entire manifesto about how much he hates women, makes a video about how much he wants to kill women for not having sex with him, and then follows through with his actions and tries to slaughter women would have been enough evidence to conclude that he did it because hates women.
Even if he were 'crazy' there's no way he's not misogynist because in his final video he said this:
'On the day of retribution I am going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up blonde slut I see inside there. All those girls who I've desired so much. They've all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man.'
I don't see how you can deny his misogyny if you listened to the words that came out of his mouth.
Are we up to speed, yet? In summary: The Bible kills. The Beatles kill. Columbine was the work of Marilyn Manson. Aurora was down to Batman. Sandy Hook was only made possible by video games.
How are any of those things comparable to hate groups?
Most Men's Rights Groups are not actual 'rights groups,' but hateful Male Supremacist Movements which are tracked by the Southern Poverty Law Centre. The Southern Poverty Law Centre is in charge of tracking hate groups like the KKK and Neo Nazis, but Men's Rights groups are also on their radar. Their website documents that George Sodini shot 12 women and killed three in 2009. He had many similar views to Men's Rights Activists and many MRAs viewed him as a hero or thought it was really women who were to blame for the shooting. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women
http://amptoons.com/blog/2009/08/06/mens-rights-activists-anti-feminists-and-other-misogynists-comment-on-george-sodini/
It's really weird that you would dismiss out of hand that a hate group could be responsible for bloodshed and I'm sorry you're too stupid to tell the difference between hate groups and video games. Here's a clue - VIDEO GAMES ARE FICTIONAL!
Whenever we hear about bloodshed in the cult-and-gun-happy United States, we are absolutely confused and absolutely sure in succession. First, there is the instant in which we know this horror is beyond the reach of our understanding. Then, we acquire instant expertise in forensic and social psychology and begin to explain exactly why it happened. And then, actual grown-ups start writing oblivious and frantic things like PolicyMic’s “What Elliot Rodger Said About Women Reveals Why We Need to Stamp Out Misogyny“.
What Elliot Rodger Said About Women reveals that the guy was a nutter-butter created by goodness-knows-what fusion of chemicals with numb hate, and that a person with a long history of psychiatric therapy was able to access a gun.
You claim that he's so completely loopy that the words coming from his mouth are totally meaningless, yet this is the only evidence you provide in the whole, stupid article that he had a mental illness! Elliot Rodger had been in therapy for... something.
Wow! You have proved that there's no point paying any attention to any of his misogynist rants! Nobody ever goes to therapy unless they are pure, jabbering batshit! Keep lit matches away from everyone who's been in therapy because they're all powder-kegs!
Rodger “knew exactly what he was doing”. Just like Charles Manson did, presumably, when he attempted to spark a race war by instructing his “family” to go to a house in a tony white suburb and “totally destroy everyone … as gruesome as you can“.
The only reason that more men died was that he couldn't get into the sorority house full of women to slaughter them because they didn't answer the door.
But also, under the logic that he killed men therefore he wasn't a misogynist, I guess I can argue that Hitler wasn't an anti-Semite because he gassed loads of people who weren't even Jewish! If you have a separate motivation for hating someone else, that is proof that you actually don't have prejudiced hate towards ANYONE.
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/25/why-elliot-rodgers-misogyny-matters/
Helen Razer, is an idiot in really painfully obvious denial.
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